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Relative Position & Velocity

Every velocity is measured from somewhere. Put that somewhere into the subscript, and a boat in a current, an aircraft in a crosswind, an interception and a near miss all become the same vector subtraction, done in whichever frame turns the motion into a straight line.

UPI-03.03 · Lesson 3 of 8 in this unit. Position is not a completion score.
Starting model: Relative Position & VelocityA's frame, north up; B starts 8.0 km due east. B's ground velocity v_B plus A's reversed velocity −v_A gives v_BA, along B's straight track relative to A. The dashed line from A meets that track at right angles: closest approach 1.33 km, 17.2 min after the start.N ↑ABvB−vAvBAdₘᵢₙdₘᵢₙ = 1.33 kmt* = 17.2 min
Start with a picture. Change the model in the lab below.
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Build the model

A velocity belongs to a pair: the object, and the frame that measures it.

The key idea

The velocity of P relative to A, written vPA, is the rate of change of P's position measured by an observer at rest in A; for frames that do not rotate, vPB = vPA + vAB links what any two frames measure.

Example. A ferry makes 4.0 m s⁻¹ due north through water flowing east at 3.0 m s⁻¹. Relative to the bank, vFB = vFW + vWB has magnitude √(4.0² + 3.0²) = 5.0 m s⁻¹, pointing 37° east of north.

The complete physical model and assumptions

A velocity is not a property of an object alone. It belongs to a pair: the object, and the frame whose observer does the measuring. Write both into the symbol, vPA for P measured from A, and geometry does the rest. Position vectors from the two frames join head to tail, rPB = rPA + rAB, and provided the frames keep a common clock and neither turns relative to the other, one differentiation carries that identity to vPB = vPA + vAB; swapping two labels reverses a vector. Every problem in this topic then becomes a choice of frame. In the water's frame a boat simply moves along its heading. In a target's frame an interceptor must travel straight down the line of sight. In one ship's frame the other moves on a straight line, so the nearest approach is a perpendicular distance and its time is one derivative set to zero. The rule is exact kinematics for translating frames, and it has edges. Differentiate once more and aPB = aPA + aAB, so only frames in constant relative velocity agree on accelerations. A rotating frame needs terms the simple sum lacks, and near the speed of light the shared clock fails and the addition law fails with it.

1Two labels on every velocity

Write vPA for the velocity of P measured by an observer at rest in A. The second label is not decoration: one trolley has a different velocity for every observer. Positions add tip to tail at each instant, rPB = rPA + rAB, and when the frames share one clock and do not rotate relative to each other, differentiating term by term gives vPB = vPA + vAB. Inner labels match and cancel, so longer chains work the same way, and reversing a pair flips the vector, vAB = −vBA, because rAB = −rBA. An attendant pushes a trolley toward the tail at 1.2 m s⁻¹ relative to the cabin of an airliner flying at 230 m s⁻¹ over the ground. With forward positive, vTG = vTC + vCG = −1.2 + 230 = 228.8 m s⁻¹. From a second airliner overtaking on a parallel track at 250 m s⁻¹, vTO = vTG + vGO = 228.8 − 250 = −21.2 m s⁻¹: the trolley slides backwards past its windows.

2Subtract velocities as vectors, not as speeds

When two velocities are known in the same frame, the relative velocity is their difference, vBA = vBG − vAG. Subtract component by component, then rebuild the magnitude and direction. Rain falling straight down at 8.0 m s⁻¹ in still air, seen from a car driving at 14.0 m s⁻¹, has vRC = (0, −8.0) − (14.0, 0) = (−14.0, −8.0) m s⁻¹. Its speed relative to the car is √(14.0² + 8.0²) = 16.1 m s⁻¹, neither 22.0 nor 6.0, and the streaks on a side window slant back at arctan(14.0/8.0) = 60.3° from the vertical. Run the argument backwards and the slant measures the rain's speed. In general the relative speed is √(vA² + vB² − 2vA vB cos θ), where θ is the angle between the two velocities. It equals the difference of the speeds only when they point the same way, and their sum only when they point opposite ways.

3In a moving medium, heading is not track

An aircraft's engines and wings set its velocity relative to the air: airspeed and heading. The wind is the air's velocity relative to the ground, and the sum vPG = vPA + vAG is the track and groundspeed that carry the aircraft across the map. To hold a chosen track, turn the nose into the wind until the cross-track part of the air velocity cancels the crosswind, v sin α = w⊥; what remains along the track sets the progress. A light aircraft with 62 m s⁻¹ airspeed must track due north while the wind blows toward the east at 12 m s⁻¹. It heads α = arcsin(12/62) = 11.2° west of north and makes good √(62² − 12²) = 60.8 m s⁻¹; a headwind would then subtract directly from that. Two consequences follow. The nose does not point where the aircraft goes, and once the crosswind reaches the airspeed no heading holds the track at all.

4Pursuit: sit on the target and aim at it

Interception is easiest in the target's frame. A target on a steady velocity is at rest there, so the pursuer reaches it by moving straight down the line of sight: vPT must point from P to T. Resolve along and across that line. Across it, the pursuer must match the target, v sin β = u sin γ; along it, the closing speed v cos β − u cos γ must be positive. Navigators use the rule in reverse: a vessel whose bearing holds steady while its range falls is on a collision course. A patrol boat making 12 m s⁻¹ spots a runabout 4.0 km away, crossing the line of sight at 7.0 m s⁻¹. Leading it by β = arcsin(7.0/12) = 35.7°, the boat closes at √(12² − 7.0²) = 9.75 m s⁻¹ and intercepts in 410 s. Pointing at the runabout throughout instead traces a curve, and that pure pursuit takes vD/(v² − u²) = 505 s, because it always aims where the target is rather than where it will be.

5Closest approach is one derivative in the right frame

Two ships on steady courses are awkward to follow on a chart and simple in either ship's frame. Relative to A, B starts at r₀ and moves in a straight line, r(t) = r₀ + vᵣₑₗ t. The squared separation D² = r₀² + 2(r₀ ⋅ vᵣₑₗ)t + vᵣₑₗ² t² is a parabola in t, so d(D²)/dt = 0 gives t* = −(r₀ ⋅ vᵣₑₗ)/vᵣₑₗ². Substituting back, dₘᵢₙ is the perpendicular distance from A to B's relative track, |x₀ vy − y₀ vₓ|/vᵣₑₗ. Take two airliners at one altitude, B 30 km east and 40 km north of A, with vBA = (−150, −150) m s⁻¹. Then r₀ ⋅ vᵣₑₗ = −1.05 × 10⁷ m² s⁻¹ and vᵣₑₗ² = 4.5 × 10⁴ m² s⁻², so t* = 233 s and dₘᵢₙ = (1.5 × 10⁶)/212.1 m = 7.07 km. Where the two ground tracks cross is beside the point; only the relative track matters. A negative t* means the closest point is already past.

6Where the addition rule stops

The chain vPB = vPA + vAB rests on two assumptions: the frames do not rotate relative to each other, and every observer shares one clock. Differentiate once more and aPB = aPA + aAB. Frames in constant relative velocity therefore agree on every acceleration, which is why the laws of motion can hold in all of them at once. A frame that accelerates does not: when a bus brakes at 3.0 m s⁻², a ball rolling freely on its floor keeps its velocity over the road yet accelerates forward at 3.0 m s⁻² relative to the bus, with nothing pushing it. A rotating frame, a turntable or the spinning Earth, adds velocity terms the simple sum does not contain. And the shared clock fails near light speed: two velocities of 0.60c along one line compound to 1.20c by this rule but are measured at (u + v)/(1 + uv/c²) = 0.88c. For a 300 m s⁻¹ projectile fired forward from a 250 m s⁻¹ airliner, uv/c² is about 8 × 10⁻¹³.

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Key equations

Read the units, assumptions and limits before substituting.

Frame-label chain

rPB = rPA + rABvPB = vPA + vABaPB = aPA + aAB

Inner labels cancel, so a chain of any length collapses to its outer letters. When aAB = 0, both frames measure the same acceleration.

r in m, v in m s⁻¹, a in m s⁻²; first label is the object, second the frame measuring it; frames must not rotate

Relative velocity from one frame's data

vBA = vBG − vAG = −vAB

Swapping labels reverses the vector. The relative speed is √(vA² + vB² − 2vA vB cos θ), with θ the angle between the velocities, not vB − vA.

vBG and vAG both measured from the same frame G, in m s⁻¹; subtract component by component

Holding a track in a crosswind

v sin α = w⊥groundspeed = v cos α + w∥

Turn the heading α into the wind until the cross-track parts cancel; what is left along the track sets the time. No heading works once w⊥ exceeds v.

v speed through the medium; w⊥, w∥ the medium's velocity across and along the track, tailwind positive, all m s⁻¹

Crossing a current

aim across: t = d/v, drift = ud/vland opposite: sin α = u/v, t = d/√(v² − u²)

The current never lengthens the straight-across crossing; it only carries the boat sideways. Landing opposite costs time, and is impossible once u ≥ v.

d river width in m; v boat speed through the water and u current speed, m s⁻¹; α heading upstream of straight across

Interception course

v sin β = u sin γt = D/(v cos β − u cos γ)

In the target's frame the pursuer must travel straight down the line of sight, so the sideways components match: constant bearing, decreasing range.

D range in m; v, u pursuer and target speeds in m s⁻¹; β, γ their velocity angles from the line of sight to the target

Closest approach

t* = −(r₀ ⋅ vᵣₑₗ)/vᵣₑₗ²dₘᵢₙ = |x₀ vy − y₀ vₓ|/vᵣₑₗ

Setting d(D²)/dt = 0 for D² = |r₀ + vᵣₑₗ t|² gives t*. A negative t* means the closest point is already behind and the gap is growing.

r₀ = (x₀, y₀) in m and vᵣₑₗ = (vₓ, vy) in m s⁻¹, both for B relative to A; t* in s
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Interactive lab

Predict first. Explore the model. Compare the result.

Explore the model

4.0 m s⁻¹
2 to 10 m s⁻¹; steps of 0.5.
8.0 m s⁻¹
2 to 10 m s⁻¹; steps of 0.5.
20 °
0 to 60 °; steps of 5.

Try this. Set φ = 30° and vB = 8.0 m s⁻¹, then slide vA to 4.0 m s⁻¹: the north mismatch reads zero, vBA points straight at A and the closest approach falls to zero. That is a collision course, on which B's bearing from A never changes. Push vA higher and B passes astern of A.

Live results

RELATIVE SPEED vBA
7.62 m s⁻¹
CLOSEST APPROACH dₘᵢₙ
1.33 km
TIME TO CLOSEST t*
17.2 min
NORTH MISMATCH vB sin φ − vA
-1.26 m s⁻¹

Results follow this lesson’s model and assumptions. Displayed values are rounded.

Interactive Physics I modelA's frame, north up; B starts 8.0 km due east. B's ground velocity v_B plus A's reversed velocity −v_A gives v_BA, along B's straight track relative to A. The dashed line from A meets that track at right angles: closest approach 1.33 km, 17.2 min after the start.N ↑ABvB−vAvBAdₘᵢₙdₘᵢₙ = 1.33 kmt* = 17.2 min
A's frame, north up; B starts 8.0 km due east. B's ground velocity vB plus A's reversed velocity −vA gives vBA, along B's straight track relative to A. The dashed line from A meets that track at right angles: closest approach 1.33 km, 17.2 min after the start.

Predict → change one variable → check

Plan a change before running it. Every other input stays at the saved baseline.

Saved baseline. A's speed due north, vA: 4.0 m s⁻¹; B's speed, vB: 8.0 m s⁻¹; B's heading φ, north of west: 20 °

Baseline 4.0; choose 2 to 10, in steps of 0.5.
4. Compared with the saved baseline, this result will…

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Catch the common trap

Students expect a current to slow a boat that is pointed straight across a river. It does not. The boat's velocity over the bank is vBW + vWG, and the current vWG has no component across the river, so the across component is the boat's full speed through the water and the crossing time is d/v whatever the current does. The current changes only where the boat lands: it carries it ud/v downstream, and the speed over the bank, √(v² + u²), is actually larger. The time penalty appears when you insist on landing directly opposite. A boat making 2.0 m s⁻¹ across a 120 m river flowing at 1.2 m s⁻¹ crosses in 60 s aimed straight over and lands 72 m downstream; aimed 36.9° upstream to land opposite, it keeps only 1.6 m s⁻¹ for crossing and takes 75 s. Perpendicular components are independent; the heading decides which one pays.

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Practice & worked examples

3 authored examples. Make an attempt, then reveal the reasoning one step at a time.

EasyExample 1

A cyclist rides due east at 6.0 m s⁻¹ while a steady breeze of 4.0 m s⁻¹ blows toward the north-east. Find the velocity of the air relative to the cyclist: its speed, and the direction it seems to come from.

Sketch your answer or reasoning, then compare it with the authored solution. Your writing is not automatically graded or saved.

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MediumExample 2

A survey drone flies at 15.0 m s⁻¹ relative to the air. It must fly to a marker 2.40 km due north and straight back while a steady 6.0 m s⁻¹ wind blows toward the south-east. Find the heading for each leg and the total flight time, and compare it with the time in still air.

Sketch your answer or reasoning, then compare it with the authored solution. Your writing is not automatically graded or saved.

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HardExample 3

A lifeboat that makes 8.00 m s⁻¹ through the water sets out for a disabled yacht 3.00 km east and 4.00 km north of it. A tidal stream carries the water south at 1.50 m s⁻¹, and wind pushes the yacht west through the water at 0.500 m s⁻¹. Find the water-relative heading that intercepts the yacht on a straight course, the time, and the meeting point. Then find how closely the lifeboat passes if it holds a heading toward the yacht's starting position.

Sketch your answer or reasoning, then compare it with the authored solution. Your writing is not automatically graded or saved.

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Quick check

Select an answer and explain it before checking.

At noon ship B is 6.0 km due north of ship A. A steams due north at 4.0 m s⁻¹ and B due east at 3.0 m s⁻¹, both on steady courses. When are the ships closest, and how far apart are they then?
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Review & continue

The velocity of P relative to A, written vPA, is the rate of change of P's position measured by an observer at rest in A; for frames that do not rotate, vPB = vPA + vAB links what any two frames measure.

  • Explain the relationship without looking at the equation.
  • Check a sign, a unit and a model assumption in your working.
  • Return to the lab or worked example if a step is still unclear.

Optional supporting lessons

These chapter resources can help with earlier ideas; they are not additional required Physics I completion tasks.

Extra challenging questions

Connect several ideas, explore supplied data, and compare your reasoning with a worked solution.